If your city was to host an open no vested interests climate debate, who'd you invite and which cities would you relay your conversations with

Here is a first brainstorm (as this was first compiled for a debate of what can Londoners liberate now that HM Treasury Stern has published we need to invest 1% of economy to save 20%, asterisked inserts denote a UK based source)


Google.org, Larry Brilliant –green is one of 4 top connection challenges – we used to think poverty was number 1 until we realised all Yunus’ life work may be flooded out: Bishop of Bangladesh writes to Bishop of London

Buckminster Fuller architects – final examination
*Edge of Royal Society of Architects
-hunt out links to Larry Page of google spokesman of buildingsare inefficient because they lack standard configurations

*Entrepreneurial Economist Future History crisis since 1984- the sunshine scenario

Maathai: Nobel grassroots energy needed for peace
Ashok Khosla – systems lack of compound understanding is main cause of climate crisis

Brazil ecology studies : 100 connecting experiments around world’s largest dam at Foz; ethanol conversion; peoples water sites connecting Brazilian Franklin Fredrick, Catholic Churches Year of Water and religious groups worldwide - see water-vis-ability

*Harry Bryden (ocean modeller, Southampton) – will the warming gulf stream switch off

*Journalists for humanity, nature – Attenborough et al
*Actors for humanity open spaces

*Branson 3 billion voice and search for cleaner air fuel – and what will future tourism be -see transcript 97 of Clinton Global Initiative 2006

*Sir Adrian Cadbury – number 1 political challenge of our era -personal correspondemce from survey of Economist Shareholders on what does economics need to change now that networks are at a global tipping point

(*)Where is the Social entrepreneur mosaic of the peoples climate changers

*Olympics as carbon free mayors goal- Ken Livingstone

Pioneers at green/climate in any city

Bloggers at green in city; YouTube at green in city

*Sir John Banham/Blaza 20 years of CBI learning on sustainability
*elkington

inclusionality vs schumacher institute

Wrong energy policy is albatross of US security- senator Lugar

Biomass flow models – every waste output someone else’s input- cross-disciplines – grassroots up

*Rupert Murdoch – found 0 waste campaigns switch on employee spirit (Uk office going carbon free) -see transcript 104

Ray Anderson – original zero waste –mount sustainability – compounds greater profits – why should sustaining life be excluded from our biggest organisational cases

*Green children and university of stars making green pop; making heroes worth heroising; new league tables

Search for shell’s principal voices - with CNN, Time & Fortune

*Simpol – climate is number 1 issues of politics sans frontiers
*Carbon coach franchise emerged in Uk

Einstein transformation system challenge – eg see Ackoff school system paper philadeplihia

Be the change- Gandhi – Einstein on leaders, von neumann on compound above zero sum- mitchell book on sustainability investment 1 2

Gore training of 1000 kit
Will there be Fish in 50 years ? eg Time.com, Ted?


Are we investing in our kids greatest changes – queen

some interesting search keys : pioneers climate

basic guide references of 2006 collated here

TOUR OF SHELLS 2006 PRINCIPAL VOICES EXPLORATION OF 2006
conducted with media partners CNN, Time & Fortune and hosed in Delhi, London. San Francisco & Sydney

As usual Solar is portrayed as if its many moons away
http://www.principalvoices.com/2006/environment/alternative.energy.html

However it is admitted that something is wrong:
http://www.principalvoices.com/2006/environment/introduction.html
there are increasing fears that this human-dominated phase of the Earth's long history is not sustainable. A trawl through statistics compiled by the United Nations Environment Programme, or UNEP, can make for depressing reading.
Species are becoming extinct at a speed around 100 times faster than would happen naturally.

Stern's HM Treasury Report http://www.principalvoices.com/2006/environment/economics.html
is "warmin g could bring 1930s havoc"

James Lovelock is Quoted as saying:
when you model the earth as it it is a responding system, the one thing that comes out is: it is quite prone to make sudden jumps from one state to another

There are juicy contributions from:
ashok khosla http://www.principalvoices.com/voices/ashok-khosla-white-paper.html
wingari maathai http://www.principalvoices.com/2006/environment/wangari.maathai.white.paper.html
David Hales http://www.principalvoices.com/2006/environment/david.hales.white.paper.html

Khosla, Ashok says:
very large part of the negative spin-offs of technology arise from the preference built up over the past century for grand engineering projects: activities that are large-scale, centralized, capital-intensive and that also happen to be energy-guzzling and highly waste generating. Examples of such projects are the massive dams, power plants, transport systems, mining concessions, chemical-intensive and energy consuming farms that increasingly form the backbone of the global economy. By focusing on raising the productivity of labor at the expense of land, water and energy productivity, these types of projects generally end up with many associated costs such as unemployment, pollution and accelerated resource depletion. Highly subsidized transportation systems and other price distortions make it profitable for companies and convenient for their customers to do things that are not good for the current or future health of society - or of the ecosystem on which it vitally depends.
The economic theories on which our present systems of production, distribution and consumption rest, just do not work. Unfortunately, the assumptions underlying neo-classical economics - and the machineries of the modern marketplace that they naturally lead to - are not sufficiently solid to support the common platforms of human values on which societies must stand to benefit collectively and equitably. Growth, they have claimed, must come first, even if the cost is distributive injustice and human misery. Efficiency over equity. The rich before the poor. Machines above people. Wealth even at the expense of nature.
But the global economy, which is based on these assumptions, is in a mess. No fine-tuning of the neo-classical doctrines, no more of the same medicines - that, after all, are causing the problems in the first place - can get us out of it. When the social, environmental and natural resource costs of the past century's experiments with "modernization" are all counted, it will become obvious that the current form of "development" is not sustainable. The widespread social and economic ills of today are just the early symptoms of a terminal disease that human society seems inexorably headed for. Such a fate can be avoided, not by a change of dosage, or even a change of the medication, but by a fundamental change to an altogether different system of social (and economic) medicine, one that is based on prevention rather than cure.

David Hales says:
The most intractable challenges of the 21st century will be driven by human impact on the natural systems of the planet which determine the character and quality of our lives.
Over the course of this century, human society will become more sustainable, but not necessarily more desirable. We have the opportunity to choose a future that is sustainable and just, as opposed to one of conflict, inequity and scarcity.
The challenges we face are fundamentally different from those that our dominant institutions and policy processes evolved to address.
They are complex, with uncertainties at every level of analysis. They are insidious, difficult to detect or understand in early stages, yet capable of massive impacts in apparently short periods of time. They will be expensive to address, even in the early stages when the costs of mitigation or avoidance will be most difficult to justify economically and politically.
Our policy-making institutions are strategically inept, designed to allocate benefits, not scarcity, fragmented in responsibility and authority, and dominated by narrow interests, the influence of which reflects the past, not the future.
Moreover, they embody the implicit assumption that we can ignore the world's natural systems and growing inequities of human quality of life with impunity.
Sustainable policies must be firmly grounded in the realization that humans are inextricably embedded in nature.
As every farmer knows, there are limits on our behavior and consequences for exceeding these. While the purpose of government remains to enable the wellbeing of citizens, there are principles which must assume new prominence if that goal is to be attained. Simply put, we must behave prudently, empower the market, and accept responsibilities for our actions and inactions.
Of these, prudence is the first among equals. We must regard the future as a new form of "global commons." It belongs to all equally; it is not the province of any nation, or of special interests which happen to be dominant today.
As Edmund Burke argued, the present is but an inheritance from the past that belongs -- morally and legally -- to future generations as much as to the present. Governance must base policies in the "precautionary principle," as found in various forms in international soft law, in broad form in the domestic legislation of many countries, and enshrined in common sense -- look before you leap.
A fair, transparent and global market, free of protectionism, where all costs of products and services -- including environmental impacts which are transgenerational -- are included in prices, is a necessary tool for the transition to sustainability.
Governments should set clear performance goals and standards, and refrain from practices that artificially choose winners and losers.
A modest first step is for governments to refuse to subsidize the costs of waste and risk management. Nuclear power, for example, is unlikely to compete effectively with renewable energy if the costs of environmental impacts or risk management are included in the price of energy to the consumer.
Public policy must also demand and enforce a culture of responsibility. The right to private property, the drive for private profit, and the sovereignty of the state do not justify ecologically destructive behavior, and legal systems must protect all interests.

Wangari Maathai says:
Our environment is fragile and the Earth's resources are limited. We must learn to manage these resources responsibly, accountably and share them more equitably.
This will only be possible if we govern ourselves in a political space that is democratic and respects human rights, the law and the diversity of cultures, traditions and perspectives. In such a world, where dialogue is encouraged, many conflicts can be pre-empted.
Among the many human activities that degrade the environment are deforestation and the clearing of shrubs and other vegetation from the land, both of which exacerbate the process of desertification. Other harmful behavior includes creation of pollution and waste, often driven by the "single use products" such as thin plastics and paper.
Initiatives to mitigate this environmental degradation must come from governments, the private sector and individuals. To encourage and support such efforts, it is essential to raise awareness, so a critical mass of people within government bodies, corporations and among citizens understand what is at stake and are motivated to take action.
In this respect, it is critically important to have strong citizens' movements -- a civil society -- that are able to take action and demand a clean environment from all the other actors.


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Delhi urban crisis transcript and videos at http://www.principalvoices.com/2006/debates/delhi/transcript.html
corporate collaboration transcript and videos are here
http://www.principalvoices.com/2006/debates/london/transcript.html
in which James Smith, chairman of Shell UK, participated

Charlie Rose is just about the only fearless tv interviewer on US tv- he has broken many climate stories over recent months. All his shows are replayable at 99 cents a go http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22charlie+rose%22

I will try to come back with a list oif some of his most climate relevant ones . These included today
Friday, December 29
ALTERNATIVE ENERGY & GREEN TECHNOLOGY WITH JOHN DOERR Partner, Kleiner, Perkins, Caufield, & Byers
SCOTT McNEALY Chairman & Co-Founder, Sun Microsystems
K.R. SRIDHAR Co-founder and CEO, Bloom Energy

If you look at this link, folks to con sider viewing include
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22charlie+rose%22+%2Bclimate
Gore
Lovins
Thomas Friedman

London's Royal Society of Arts has an amazing free pdf library of speeches that have been made;
http://www.rsa.org.uk/events/ltresults.asp?show=all%20
climate and green ar one of the top 5 themes of recent years; I will try to come back with selection of particularly notable talks- for example: RSA/Forum for the Future Alumni event. The economics and politics of climate change.
22 November 2006Sara Parkin, Michael Jacobs, Paul Miller, Sasha Blackmore Manifesto Challenge: Advancing Global Citizenship

Note currently on home page:-
can artists save the planet or is there no way back

Can artists save the planet?
In December 2006 leading artists, scientists, academics and politicians from across the world challenged each others thinking for an enquiry into the critical ecological issues of today.
An audience of 300 heard speakers from 11 countries explore the depths of global ecological crisis, asking if artists should play a role in the environment debate?
Speakers included Turner prize-winning artist Jeremy Deller, Professor Zou Ji, the Chinese Delegate at UN climate change talks and Culture Minister David Lammy MP. Lammy launched LAND, ART: A Cultural Ecology Handbook, a publication that looks at the last 50 years of art and it's relevance to the global debate about the environment.
Click here for the No Way Back? press release
Nobel Peace Prize winner and contributor to LAND ART, Wangari Maathai is speaking as part of the RSA's lecture programme in February. Click here for more information

Extracts, interviews and highlights of the conference will be available on the Arts & Ecology website in the New Year: www.RSAartsandecology.org.uk/nowayback